tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21101554.post6226792423981505480..comments2023-11-18T08:53:40.570-08:00Comments on Jed Alexander: Reframing the Argument: Feminism in a Post LGBT Civil Rights WorldJed Alexanderhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06833411175703626635noreply@blogger.comBlogger7125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21101554.post-78317684934912827422013-06-26T13:56:26.715-07:002013-06-26T13:56:26.715-07:00The changes in just the last ten years are fantast...The changes in just the last ten years are fantastic! But there's always a little lost, and a little gained when it comes to assimilation. I'm not sure what you mean when you say you "still think that's genderfuck." Is that in reference to transgender? Because that's quite a different thing. But transgender youth are gaining a lot more acceptance, particularly in light of some recent lawsuits filed by parents of transgender kids for their freedom to be considered and treated as the gender for which they identify. <br /><br />Genderfuck is more of a statement against the rigidity of gender role. It says I don't have to be either of the two choices you're giving me and how you decide they're defined. Jed Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06833411175703626635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21101554.post-57375975542332329642013-06-26T12:02:42.233-07:002013-06-26T12:02:42.233-07:00We could always do better. It can always be worse....We could always do better. It can always be worse. <br /><br />But it's not zero-sum. Winning the right to marry does not mean someone else/something else LOST. <br /><br />Gay kids are being elected prom queen, lesbians elected prom king. Maybe they'll decide they're transgender, but, I don't know, I still think that's sorta genderfuck. Glenn Ingersollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674475308395975995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21101554.post-69250159516076229522013-06-19T15:19:41.379-07:002013-06-19T15:19:41.379-07:00The 70s is a mixed bag of goods all around, and I ...The 70s is a mixed bag of goods all around, and I most certainly agree with you that there was no happy ideal where all was embraced. What I do think there was in the 70s was a kind of hopefulness not for change but for revolutionary change with kind of happened and kind of didn't.<br /><br />What assimilation has done has been to provide a parallel gay mainstream to the straight world. I think this is at the sacrifice not of what we had in the 70s but what we hoped to have. What has happened is that, though we've expanded the number of acceptable categories, we still live in a culture of categories..The whole point of genderfuck was to break down these categories altogether, or at least, it was one illustration of that idea. It's not about what it was, but what it was trying to say, and though it's still being said, it's not being heard anymore than it was then. Not essentially, anyway. It's still marginalized behavior, and a marginalized idea, despite the success of the assimilationists. <br /><br />Assimilation implies the suppression of that which can't be assimilated, and what can't be assimilated is anything that doesn't fit within the established categories. <br /><br />All I'm saying is that I think we could do better.<br />Jed Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06833411175703626635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21101554.post-66379326838609457452013-06-19T13:41:15.190-07:002013-06-19T13:41:15.190-07:00I don't agree with the premise. There was no h...I don't agree with the premise. There was no happy world of generally celebrated genderfuck that the legalization of same sex marriage squashed. Genderfuck and same sex marriage will coexist now, whereas before same sex marriage was illegal and genderfuck was outrageous. Now same sex marriage has the prospect of achieving boringness and genderfuck has the prospect of continuing to be outrageous. Or boring. <br /><br />Ever since there was anything you could call a gay movement there's been an assimilationist/liberationist internal struggle over tactics and goals. "There's no difference between gays & straights except what we do in the bedroom." "Gay, lesbian, bisexual, transgendered, queer, and Other Outsiders, must show the way in creating a new healthier world, free from the disastrous conformity and unthinking strictures of hegemonic heterosexual, racist, misogynistic, and classist society." <br /><br />I'm charmed by the liberationist worldview, but, damn, is it a lot of work!Glenn Ingersollhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10674475308395975995noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21101554.post-43960842436438344752013-06-12T14:04:07.351-07:002013-06-12T14:04:07.351-07:00"cisgendered" is a new term to me. I thi..."cisgendered" is a new term to me. I think we've a lot yet to discover about not only gender but identity in general. One thing I'm really curious about is zoenthropy--people who identify as another species. Just like homosexuality once was, this is classified as a mental disorder, but I think it's as valid an identity as any.<br /><br />I know the world isn't going to become some big diversity friendly utopia, but I think we need to keep the door open as wide as possible.Jed Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06833411175703626635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21101554.post-40628350819357434622013-06-12T13:08:44.875-07:002013-06-12T13:08:44.875-07:00I'll get back to you soon Shannon, but thanks!...I'll get back to you soon Shannon, but thanks! <br /><br />For some reason, Glenn, your post wouldn't post, But I got it! <br /><br />Glenn Ingersoll has left a new comment on your post "Reframing the Argument: Feminism in a Post LGBT Ci...": <br /><br />"So while now we live in a culture where gays and lesbians are increasingly able to marry and transgender men and women are increasingly accepted, it’s been at the sacrifice of other gender freedoms."<br /><br />What "other gender freedoms" have been sacrificed? <br /><br />Me:<br /><br />The freedom not to have to conform to specific gender roles. I think, Genderfuck and genderqueer are both responses to this on the more extreme end, but assimilation tends to leave a lot of folks on the margins who don't conform to what we as a culture have decided is gay, or straight, or male or female behavior. <br /><br />Jed Alexanderhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06833411175703626635noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-21101554.post-27472366941552976252013-06-12T12:01:12.382-07:002013-06-12T12:01:12.382-07:00I love the complexity you describe here. One of th...I love the complexity you describe here. One of the things I really dislike about the emerging term "cis" (as in "cis-gendered" meaning NOT "transgendered") is how binary it makes gender. <br /><br />To me, the possibility trans identities offer is that gender itself be opened to multiple expressions and meanings for as many people as want some wiggle room from the binary constraints of culturally acceptable gender.<br /><br />Great images too. Love those old shots of the homophile activists. They were so brave!LilySeahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08812905445813679050noreply@blogger.com